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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just purchased a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.econoaid.com/&quot; title=&quot;fuel saver&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fuel saver&lt;/a&gt; which is a throttle body spacer for my car. I have seen increased fuel efficiency and there are no outlandish claims from the maker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just purchased a <a href="http://www.econoaid.com/" title="fuel saver" rel="nofollow">fuel saver</a> which is a throttle body spacer for my car. I have seen increased fuel efficiency and there are no outlandish claims from the maker.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenMan</title>
		<link>http://www.2-speed.com/2006/03/the-prius-deception/#comment-82588</link>
		<dc:creator>GreenMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 05:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Battery life needs to be greatly improved, and the hybrid needs to be a plug in hybrid so we can finally break our connection with service stations and the oil companies. Yes, we will have a new master in the power company but I really believe that our dependence on oil needs to be broken. How good would it be if you could fully charge your hybrid car in 10 or 15 minutes, thats the world we need to strive for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Battery life needs to be greatly improved, and the hybrid needs to be a plug in hybrid so we can finally break our connection with service stations and the oil companies. Yes, we will have a new master in the power company but I really believe that our dependence on oil needs to be broken. How good would it be if you could fully charge your hybrid car in 10 or 15 minutes, thats the world we need to strive for.</p>
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		<title>By: kl2u - Hydroeng fuel cell cars</title>
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		<dc:creator>kl2u - Hydroeng fuel cell cars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 02:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well your thought mostly be right...until now fuel cell car or elecric car are not mass producion. Lots of thought have to taken before creating those cars. Anyway we still wait and see what happen...now diesel aer more improved in quality. Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well your thought mostly be right&#8230;until now fuel cell car or elecric car are not mass producion. Lots of thought have to taken before creating those cars. Anyway we still wait and see what happen&#8230;now diesel aer more improved in quality. Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: 2-Speed &#187; A Diesel-Electric Hybrid Arrives . . . for Boats</title>
		<link>http://www.2-speed.com/2006/03/the-prius-deception/#comment-70863</link>
		<dc:creator>2-Speed &#187; A Diesel-Electric Hybrid Arrives . . . for Boats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 21:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have previously talked about the potential advantages of combining powerful (torquey) diesel engines with electric motors into [...]</description>
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		<title>By: A Diesel-Electric Hybrid Arrives . . . for Boats &#171; 2-Speed</title>
		<link>http://www.2-speed.com/2006/03/the-prius-deception/#comment-33442</link>
		<dc:creator>A Diesel-Electric Hybrid Arrives . . . for Boats &#171; 2-Speed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 21:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: David H. Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://www.2-speed.com/2006/03/the-prius-deception/#comment-173</link>
		<dc:creator>David H. Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2006 22:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article contains a plethora of incorrect &quot;facts&quot; and suppositions. &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Fallacious facts.... &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Fallacy: &#160;The difference in price for a Prius over another comparably equipped mid-size car will buy all the gas you would need for the life of the car. &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Truth: &#160;If I WERE paying $3000.00 more than a comparably equiped mid-size car (which I am not). &#160;At todays prices, the car would pay for the difference in between 2 and 4 years depending on how much I drive, and I expect gas to go up even more in price. &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Fallacy: &#160; &#160;Battery technology evolves at a glacial pace. &#160;There may be breakthroughs in the future in alternative technologies (e.g. fuel cells), but the standard chemical reaction in batteries has not improved much in a very long time. &#160;Quantum improvements in engine mechanicals and fuel chemistry will happen long before similar improvements in battery technology. &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Truth: &#160;By this argument, anything on wheels is obsolete, wheels haven&#039;t changed in centuries. &#160;Batteries HAVE come a LONG way, from lead/acid to carbon/zinc to lithium ion. &#160;I should point out that the battery in a current model Prius puts out over 200 volts and is raised to 500 volts for use in the engines. &#160;(as a side note, street cars run on about 600 volts, and no one complains about their efficiency.) &#160;Also, the battery is only used in situations where the gas engine is very inefficient, such as low speeds and high acceleration. &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Fallacy: &#160;Batteries weigh a lot! &#160;My friend John Bower likes to quote a Ford engineer who said: â€œelectric cars are a brilliant solution for the task of hauling around 1,500 lbs worth of batteries.&quot; &#160;All that weight has to be propelled by something and that something is gonna need fuel to run it â€“ whether it be electricity or fossil fuel. &#160;Electric motors are very linear. &#160;If you want more power, you need more batteries. &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Truth: &#160;The battery in a Prius only weighs about 100 pounds! &lt;BR&gt;How much do you think a tank with 20 gallons of gas weighs? &lt;BR&gt;(Just for the record, it weighs 124.32 pounds!) &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;This one is true: &#160; &#160;The Prius has an EPA rating of 60mpg in the city and 51mpg on the highway (city numbers are higher because the drivetrain relies on batteries for power in stop-and-go traffic). &#160;The EPA does not get these numbers by driving around, though. &#160;They take the engine out of the car and put it on a dynamometer to measure it in a lab. &#160;During these tests, the maximum acceleration used is 3.3mph per second â€“ which is how fast youâ€™ll drive on your 97th birthday. &#160;Also, the tests are done with the air conditioning off. &#160;With the extra load on the engine, some tests have shown the Priusâ€™ fuel economy drops by as much as 33%. &#160;In Europe, the car is rated at 47mpg in the city and 56mpg on the highway. &#160;The European ratings are done with the engine mounted in a car, under the hood although, apparently, they still drive pretty slowly. &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;BUT...: &#160;These figures are quoted by Toyota because they MUST BE BY LAW. &#160;Anyone with sense knows &quot;your milage will vary&quot;! &#160;Most Prius purchasers know enough to expect around 45 to 50 MPG. &#160;Still a lot better than most of the other cars on the road. &#160;Also, the Prius has 295 Ft/Lbs or torque. and that is usable from a standing &lt;BR&gt;start. &#160;The Nissan Z sports car only has about 270 Ft/Lbs torque and that is at an engine speed of 4800 RPM, certainly not from a standing start which is where I personally WANT to have most of my torque overcoming the static friction and inertia of a dead stop. &#160;I also question the quoted &#160;european milage figures because hybrid cars like the Prius get BETTER milage in the city than on the open highway. &#160;The above figures (if correct) are at least reversed. &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Also, as a side note, I am an engineer. &#160;To anyone who appreciates engineering works of art, the Prius is the Mona Lisa. &#160;Its internal design is a masterpiece of engineering elegance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article contains a plethora of incorrect &#8220;facts&#8221; and suppositions. </p>
<p>Fallacious facts&#8230;. </p>
<p>Fallacy: &nbsp;The difference in price for a Prius over another comparably equipped mid-size car will buy all the gas you would need for the life of the car. </p>
<p>Truth: &nbsp;If I WERE paying $3000.00 more than a comparably equiped mid-size car (which I am not). &nbsp;At todays prices, the car would pay for the difference in between 2 and 4 years depending on how much I drive, and I expect gas to go up even more in price. </p>
<p>Fallacy: &nbsp; &nbsp;Battery technology evolves at a glacial pace. &nbsp;There may be breakthroughs in the future in alternative technologies (e.g. fuel cells), but the standard chemical reaction in batteries has not improved much in a very long time. &nbsp;Quantum improvements in engine mechanicals and fuel chemistry will happen long before similar improvements in battery technology. </p>
<p>Truth: &nbsp;By this argument, anything on wheels is obsolete, wheels haven&#8217;t changed in centuries. &nbsp;Batteries HAVE come a LONG way, from lead/acid to carbon/zinc to lithium ion. &nbsp;I should point out that the battery in a current model Prius puts out over 200 volts and is raised to 500 volts for use in the engines. &nbsp;(as a side note, street cars run on about 600 volts, and no one complains about their efficiency.) &nbsp;Also, the battery is only used in situations where the gas engine is very inefficient, such as low speeds and high acceleration. </p>
<p>Fallacy: &nbsp;Batteries weigh a lot! &nbsp;My friend John Bower likes to quote a Ford engineer who said: â€œelectric cars are a brilliant solution for the task of hauling around 1,500 lbs worth of batteries.&#8221; &nbsp;All that weight has to be propelled by something and that something is gonna need fuel to run it â€“ whether it be electricity or fossil fuel. &nbsp;Electric motors are very linear. &nbsp;If you want more power, you need more batteries. </p>
<p>Truth: &nbsp;The battery in a Prius only weighs about 100 pounds! <br />How much do you think a tank with 20 gallons of gas weighs? <br />(Just for the record, it weighs 124.32 pounds!) </p>
<p>This one is true: &nbsp; &nbsp;The Prius has an EPA rating of 60mpg in the city and 51mpg on the highway (city numbers are higher because the drivetrain relies on batteries for power in stop-and-go traffic). &nbsp;The EPA does not get these numbers by driving around, though. &nbsp;They take the engine out of the car and put it on a dynamometer to measure it in a lab. &nbsp;During these tests, the maximum acceleration used is 3.3mph per second â€“ which is how fast youâ€™ll drive on your 97th birthday. &nbsp;Also, the tests are done with the air conditioning off. &nbsp;With the extra load on the engine, some tests have shown the Priusâ€™ fuel economy drops by as much as 33%. &nbsp;In Europe, the car is rated at 47mpg in the city and 56mpg on the highway. &nbsp;The European ratings are done with the engine mounted in a car, under the hood although, apparently, they still drive pretty slowly. </p>
<p>BUT&#8230;: &nbsp;These figures are quoted by Toyota because they MUST BE BY LAW. &nbsp;Anyone with sense knows &#8220;your milage will vary&#8221;! &nbsp;Most Prius purchasers know enough to expect around 45 to 50 MPG. &nbsp;Still a lot better than most of the other cars on the road. &nbsp;Also, the Prius has 295 Ft/Lbs or torque. and that is usable from a standing <br />start. &nbsp;The Nissan Z sports car only has about 270 Ft/Lbs torque and that is at an engine speed of 4800 RPM, certainly not from a standing start which is where I personally WANT to have most of my torque overcoming the static friction and inertia of a dead stop. &nbsp;I also question the quoted &nbsp;european milage figures because hybrid cars like the Prius get BETTER milage in the city than on the open highway. &nbsp;The above figures (if correct) are at least reversed. </p>
<p>Also, as a side note, I am an engineer. &nbsp;To anyone who appreciates engineering works of art, the Prius is the Mona Lisa. &nbsp;Its internal design is a masterpiece of engineering elegance.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Jilk</title>
		<link>http://www.2-speed.com/2006/03/the-prius-deception/#comment-190</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Jilk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2006 15:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you see the recent South Park episode on hybrids? &#160;There was a &quot;smug storm&quot; that was created when everyone in South Park (which, if you haven&#039;t figured it out, is sometimes based on Boulder) got a hybrid, and this merged with a smug system from San Francisco along with George Clooney&#039;s Oscar acceptance speech. &#160;Check it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you see the recent South Park episode on hybrids? &nbsp;There was a &#8220;smug storm&#8221; that was created when everyone in South Park (which, if you haven&#8217;t figured it out, is sometimes based on Boulder) got a hybrid, and this merged with a smug system from San Francisco along with George Clooney&#8217;s Oscar acceptance speech. &nbsp;Check it out.</p>
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