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		<title>By: Positive Leadership &#171; 2-Speed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Positive Leadership &#171; 2-Speed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] different from a contrarian viewpoint), it&#8217;s just the way they are.&#160; My previous post, When to Get Rid of the &#8220;Best&#8221; People Who Work for You, covers this in more detail, but in brief, one person&#8217;s vocal, negative outlook can kill the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] different from a contrarian viewpoint), it&#8217;s just the way they are.&nbsp; My previous post, When to Get Rid of the &#8220;Best&#8221; People Who Work for You, covers this in more detail, but in brief, one person&#8217;s vocal, negative outlook can kill the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Barson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Barson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 00:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try putting multiple physicians in this box. Herding cats is easy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try putting multiple physicians in this box. Herding cats is easy.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 19:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Deep and Phil, finally a more thoughtful analysis of this incisive (though probably purposely) overly broad piece. &#160;Though I understand the ideas, and for the most part agree, I think that it didn't look at possible cultural and managment issues enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Deep and Phil, finally a more thoughtful analysis of this incisive (though probably purposely) overly broad piece. &nbsp;Though I understand the ideas, and for the most part agree, I think that it didn&#8217;t look at possible cultural and managment issues enough.</p>
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		<title>By: phil jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>phil jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 17:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely if you regularly find that the smartest, most productive people in your organization are incompatible with its culture, that might also be a symptom that there's something wrong with the culture :-) &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;"Fire the incompatible, even if they're good" ought balanced by some thoughts on how the culture itself can adapt and learn from these productive people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely if you regularly find that the smartest, most productive people in your organization are incompatible with its culture, that might also be a symptom that there&#8217;s something wrong with the culture <img src='http://www.2-speed.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8220;Fire the incompatible, even if they&#8217;re good&#8221; ought balanced by some thoughts on how the culture itself can adapt and learn from these productive people?</p>
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		<title>By: deep</title>
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		<dc:creator>deep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I acknowledge that Welch's perspective obviously did work for him, and that the author tried their best to work with these individuals performers who were "culturally destructive". Yet there is still something about this perspective that smacks of an escapist rationalization for a lack of soft skills. Employees who would solve a problem by running away from it wouldn't last very long. &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;If what works for everyone else (i.e. the repeated mention of cultural alignment) doesn't work for an individual, is that not an opportunity for the manager or the culture to adapt? The organization is made more inclusive and people who are capable performers are not excluded out simply because they don't fit into whatever pre-existing model the company operates by. How can we talk so much about the necessity of adaptation and innovation between the company and the outside world and then come back to ideas like this on the internal function of companies. &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;I understand the point about the opportunity cost of trying to work with these people as overriding the potential gains. I just don't see the situation as being unworkable in as much as it reflects the manager's capacity to work with and understand different types of people. Someone who is capable of performing but for some reason keeps throwing a monkey wrench into the societal calm of a company seems to me someone who needs to be understood rather than cut loose. I think they're potentially more valuable than the underperforming but flag waving person described in quadrant 4. If they already perform when they don't feel as though they fit in the company, what might they do if they actually fit in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I acknowledge that Welch&#8217;s perspective obviously did work for him, and that the author tried their best to work with these individuals performers who were &#8220;culturally destructive&#8221;. Yet there is still something about this perspective that smacks of an escapist rationalization for a lack of soft skills. Employees who would solve a problem by running away from it wouldn&#8217;t last very long. </p>
<p>If what works for everyone else (i.e. the repeated mention of cultural alignment) doesn&#8217;t work for an individual, is that not an opportunity for the manager or the culture to adapt? The organization is made more inclusive and people who are capable performers are not excluded out simply because they don&#8217;t fit into whatever pre-existing model the company operates by. How can we talk so much about the necessity of adaptation and innovation between the company and the outside world and then come back to ideas like this on the internal function of companies. </p>
<p>I understand the point about the opportunity cost of trying to work with these people as overriding the potential gains. I just don&#8217;t see the situation as being unworkable in as much as it reflects the manager&#8217;s capacity to work with and understand different types of people. Someone who is capable of performing but for some reason keeps throwing a monkey wrench into the societal calm of a company seems to me someone who needs to be understood rather than cut loose. I think they&#8217;re potentially more valuable than the underperforming but flag waving person described in quadrant 4. If they already perform when they don&#8217;t feel as though they fit in the company, what might they do if they actually fit in?</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 00:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Osman says: "Will, how about a followup post on how to select or when to get rid of your entrepreneurial partners?" &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;I've had to do this infrequently, but have seen it done a few times - not a pretty sight. &#160;I have some thoughts on this that will require some time to sort out. &#160;I'll post on this in the future, though. &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Osman says: &#8220;Will, how about a followup post on how to select or when to get rid of your entrepreneurial partners?&#8221; </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had to do this infrequently, but have seen it done a few times - not a pretty sight. &nbsp;I have some thoughts on this that will require some time to sort out. &nbsp;I&#8217;ll post on this in the future, though. </p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Osman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Osman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James Bullock wrote, "A leader is consciously responsible for the performance and collective social health of the team as a whole." &#160; &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Well said. &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Borrowing from Jim Collin's metaphor on the importance of getting the right people on the bus, your comment reminds me of the equally important task of managing the bus to keep the team working in the most effective/efficient manner possible. &#160;In my opinion, a skill requiring a high degree of emotional intelligence and which I've found surprisingly absent in management. &#160; &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Will, how about a followup post on how to select or when to get rid of your entrepreneurial partners?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Bullock wrote, &#8220;A leader is consciously responsible for the performance and collective social health of the team as a whole.&#8221; &nbsp; </p>
<p>Well said. </p>
<p>Borrowing from Jim Collin&#8217;s metaphor on the importance of getting the right people on the bus, your comment reminds me of the equally important task of managing the bus to keep the team working in the most effective/efficient manner possible. &nbsp;In my opinion, a skill requiring a high degree of emotional intelligence and which I&#8217;ve found surprisingly absent in management. &nbsp; </p>
<p>Will, how about a followup post on how to select or when to get rid of your entrepreneurial partners?</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 15:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James Bullock says: "This is the second time in as many posts that I've heard you say something exactly right, that I haven't heard said straight out before." &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Thanks, James. &#160;I'm glad that the stuff in my head makes it through my questionable ability to express it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Bullock says: &#8220;This is the second time in as many posts that I&#8217;ve heard you say something exactly right, that I haven&#8217;t heard said straight out before.&#8221; </p>
<p>Thanks, James. &nbsp;I&#8217;m glad that the stuff in my head makes it through my questionable ability to express it.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 14:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy Kraybill says: ". . . but for deciding whether to fire people, how to move them, etc? Sorry, but it's always been way more complicated than that." &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Fair enough, Jeremy. &#160;It's just another tool for the manager's toolbox. &#160;It's just one I find particularly useful in a particularly difficult situation. &#160; &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;For me, I find that this DOES, in fact, help me decide whether to fire or move people. &#160;I would agree, though, that many of Welch's tols are higher-level strategic devices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy Kraybill says: &#8220;. . . but for deciding whether to fire people, how to move them, etc? Sorry, but it&#8217;s always been way more complicated than that.&#8221; </p>
<p>Fair enough, Jeremy. &nbsp;It&#8217;s just another tool for the manager&#8217;s toolbox. &nbsp;It&#8217;s just one I find particularly useful in a particularly difficult situation. &nbsp; </p>
<p>For me, I find that this DOES, in fact, help me decide whether to fire or move people. &nbsp;I would agree, though, that many of Welch&#8217;s tols are higher-level strategic devices.</p>
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		<title>By: James Bullock</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Bullock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 05:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly so. I'd go further. A leader is consciously responsible for the performance and collective social health of the team as a whole. If you work on this, you can move toward a team of all leaders, which is a wonderful thing to see. &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;I tell people flat out: "Your value is your over-all contribution to the team's effectiveness as &#160;whole. Manage yourself to that and I'll help you do so." &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;This is the second time in as many posts that I've heard you say something exactly right, that I haven't heard said straight out before. &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly so. I&#8217;d go further. A leader is consciously responsible for the performance and collective social health of the team as a whole. If you work on this, you can move toward a team of all leaders, which is a wonderful thing to see. </p>
<p>I tell people flat out: &#8220;Your value is your over-all contribution to the team&#8217;s effectiveness as &nbsp;whole. Manage yourself to that and I&#8217;ll help you do so.&#8221; </p>
<p>This is the second time in as many posts that I&#8217;ve heard you say something exactly right, that I haven&#8217;t heard said straight out before. </p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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